Intrigued by this:

"The graph as a form of content can be contrasted with traditional narrative structures. A narrative is linear, perhaps threaded, beginning from a premise, state of affairs, or other truth, and leads logically and conceptually to a conclusion. None of this is true of a graph. The story, if there is any, is in the connections, in the links. The source of truth, is there is any, lies in how those links are created and maintained." -- Stephen

#el30

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@dogtrax funny I cited same thing but mainly because I disagreed. I think a graph is a story just one written with more data than words. #el30

I don't think we will ever engineer our way to truth.

@jgmac1106 @dogtrax it's (or can be) a depiction of the interface, and it's not the graph that is the truth, but the understanding of it. Especially if "it's" about the interactions/relations. It can be concepts and constructs instead of data points.

I agree that you can't distill or engineer truth #el30

@lauraritchie @jgmac1106 That concept of the graph showing the underlying connections as opposed to the surface data is what I am thinking about. Invisible threads. As always, things will likely remain hidden, unspoken, unaccounted for, tilted. It's a reminder to never to rely on one device for understanding, but many (if possible). And to question what we are given as representative of anything. #el30 (I appreciate the conversations here. Thank you)

@dogtrax @lauraritchie Is the connection the knowledge? If so does strength of connection make knowledge more true?

Can we graph these connections in ways that captures knowledge?

Or we just painting using new kinds of numbers.

@jgmac1106 @dogtrax is your talking to us knowledge? It is connection.

I don’t think it can be reduced so simply- I hope!

@lauraritchie @jgmac1106 Maybe it only gives shape to conversations and connections ... hints, rather than reveals #el30

@dogtrax @lauraritchie @jgmac1106

> I don't think we will ever engineer our way to truth.

The word "engineer" here is misleading. We grow networks, we don't construct them (this is my primary disagreement with constructivists).

This growth occurs in a physical structure - a brain, a society, an economy, a language - and caused by physical events - experiences, interactions, transactions, inferences.

And if this isn't what produces truth, if this isn't what produces meaning, what else does?

@Downes @dogtrax @lauraritchie but we are saying, connecting all the data that we can used Linked Data, in containers of people and knowledge, using a blockchain ledger to create a more credible pathway to truth.... Paint me skeptical. #el30

@jgmac1106
Hmmm... This approach seems to me to have many of the same strengths and weaknesses as some of Mike Caufield's fact-checking work.

It will work and increase credibility until the "facts" change. And then it does the opposite.

There was a time that scientists all agreed the world was cooling. The idea of climate change started with one guy disputing that "fact". Turns out he was right, but "credible data" woulda' said otherwise.

@Downes @dogtrax @lauraritchie

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Must also mention the indigenous and other marginalized groups that have known for so very long how many of our "facts" should be rethought.

For me, "truth growing" needs to involve systems, opportunities, communities, networks, etc. that cause critical engagement with ideas, beliefs and ways of thinking that are foreign, perhaps even contrary to our own. And not just on the content level, but embedded within the fabric of the system et al itself.

@jgmac1106 @Downes @dogtrax @lauraritchie

@tdorey @jgmac1106 @dogtrax @lauraritchie

I like this:

"For me, "truth growing" needs to involve systems, opportunities, communities, networks, etc. that cause critical engagement with ideas, beliefs and ways of thinking that are foreign, perhaps even contrary to our own. And not just on the content level, but embedded within the fabric of the system et al itself. "

Unpacking it will be worth the work.

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