I'm easily not the first to point this out, but white goth culture too much associates its aesthetic with a certain aesthetic of pale skin.
Goth's parent culture, punk, also has a racism problem, ironically.
The music, the style, is about social deviance, subverting cultural norms: you do the opposite if your subculture circles are all-white.
Queer punks and goths of color have always been the most revolutionary among y'all. Either drop the exclusion or drop the performative radicalism.
One time an angry, fragile white guy accused a Black and Brown queer punk collective trying to organize an event of "brownwashing." Process that.
"Whitewashing" refers to the co-optation of marginalized cultural media and art by the dominant, white culture. There's *no such thing* as brownwashing because A, you assume that radical punk began as a white movement, and B, PoC can't co-opt punk or goth in the same way because they are the marginalized culture creating space in the dominant.
Not to revive an old thread (actually yes because this should be discussed always) but I found this 2017 Vox article about Black goths: https://www.vox.com/2017/10/23/16492192/black-goth-girls
@nothingwindsky i mean, bad brains is THE punk band so
and headed by a caribbean man so :)
@Absolutely_Blakely im not the best either. i know a bit about the OG's of american hard core
ive forgotten some of the more obscure details tbh
@nothingwindsky It doesn't even work on a physical/metaphorical level. Whitewashing = bleaching your colorful clothes into ugly blandness. Brownwashing = ???
@inkblot_sandwiches I suppose the racist imagery being offered is that of a pure, white, monolithic group (terrible demographic analysis of the subculture, by the way) being painted over with Black, with Brown.
Either way it needs to fuck off and never needs to be uttered again.
One of the most frequent ways white people engage in racism is through propping up these double-standards that, in their original analytical contexts, only work one-way.
@Bashabez This is what happens when we run the venue. More of this. ✊
i immediately thought of lido pimienta! ppl need to simmer and understand, maybe the music isn't *for you* and take a step back and let the ppl who it *is for* get front stage. i listen to and enjoy lots of different music and also understand that im maybe not the intended audience. listen and learn my dudes.
this kind of behavior from white folks is burning poc artists out (and prob deterring other poc from attending shows, also). noname is done with white crowds yelling the n-word back at her and it's understandable that she wouldn't want to keep performing for white folks who keep just not getting it. ffs.
@neomic ok cracker
"white goth culture too much associates its aesthetic with a certain aesthetic of pale skin"
Is that an american thing? The only people I've seen doing that here were a few models.
@aladar Not sure of the internationality of the phenomenon. But it's a thing.
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