2009: All I need is HTML and CSS to put a site!

2019: All I need is Docker, Kubernetes, Jekyll, Caddy, GitHub, macOS, 8 GB+ RAM, Chrome Canary, React and a Twitter account!

Look. I’m all for the Web. But we CANNOT dismiss the fact that a lot of it is built on top of tools we lost a lot of control over.

@jalcine funny, but *luckily* things are not quite that bad ;)

@jaywink They are. Now Websites are basically invisible unless you have an application that emulates 4/5 of an operating system, desktop environemnt and potentially a partially closed-source compositor.

@jalcine Nah. You don't need to follow all the trends. None of the things you listed are even partly required to run a website, seriously. A funny joke but there is nothing reality about that.

@jalcine @jaywink what clients need is not necessarily what will keep developer salaries high 😂

the pattern of moving on from "old stuff" has as much to do with the need to avoid becoming a commodity as it has to do with genuine need for new approaches

@jalcine Oh wait is this about JS? I just caught on the docker etc whatnot.

JS has become an integral part of the web just like HTML and CSS. Sure, you can have a useful static website, but JS is the engine to create interactions that are not possible via purely static sites.

No docker, jekyll, kube, macos, react, etc etc is needed however to write JS.

@jaywink that post is about JS, yes, but I think it can apply to these other things as well when it comes to (over)engineered complexity

@jalcine Only if you think JS is "overengineering". For any site that requires some interaction, it's not ;)

Docker, kube, macos etc are not even related in any way and certainly not required to make an interactive website.

Sure, HTML+ CSS is great for blogs and static websites, but you can't build *apps* without JS. And applications is what has made the internet big.

@jaywink apps existed before the Internet tho. It's the push of companies to break away from other companies that's made the proliferation of apps so attractive (notably Google from Microsoft and Apple's realms - the Web gives them more tracking and insight than they could gleam on desktop environment).

It's dangerous to just waltz into this light without understanding how it got there

@jalcine You can make web apps using JS without tracking. If this complaint against JS is really a complaint against the big corporations who have taken a lot of control on the web then it's not the fault of rich web apps - it's the fault of the developers who choose to include tracking.

@jalcine but after all... "nobody cares about technical points ! It must work <period>"

@charly I don't follow. Technically sound and reliable solutions have always mattered in my line of work.

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