tip: do all of your browser testing in 2G. everyone wins.

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@veer66 What is too tight? If your software/site flies on 2G; it'll be an amazing experience for those on 2G and highers. The lesson here is that to have a stellar experience, designing and testing in the most common (and usually overlooked) parameters can lead to great results. @mishari

@veer66 @mishari No lie, I haven't responded for a few reasons:

1) There's no strong case against testing in low speed environments: it literally helps you improve speed times when testing code

2) This "request for evidence" is something you can handle as easily and in the same amount of time you've requested it over here: bfy.tw/LeDr

@veer66 the point is not 2G the point is constraints force you to implement better design. @jalcine

@veer66 @mishari @jalcine idk if it's 2G but if you've ever used WiFi on a train you've known the suffering of a slow and intermittent connection.

@grainloom @veer66 @mishari @jalcine our, just, a (regional) train through Germany.

there's bursts of 4G when you're stood in a station, but otherwise you'll be happy to have 3G, and you'll be unhappy to have 2G cuz most things just don't work on it

and i don't know how much of this is due to TLS connection establishment

@grainloom @veer66 @mishari @jalcine and then, of course, there's wide stretches with no connection at all

for instance, sitting on the side of sofa further away from the window at home, i often lose connection while making a phone call.

@hirojin @jalcine @mishari @veer66 @grainloom TLS 1.3 might help a little, but still... 2G latency is not designed for our ridiculous protocols
@veer66 @jalcine @mishari be careful with your reasoning 1) your assumptions about your audience will probably be wrong anyway. people want to use good software anywhere on any network regardless of speed and the way they access it. Low bandwidth testing also helps accessibility. I deeply hate websites designed for some particular demographics, which usually means "using retina MacOS machine from 2017 of later, occasionally switching to iPhone 6+"
@veer66 @jalcine @mishari and 2) some providers throttle connections to some ridiculous 2G speeds after the bandwidth has been used up. This usually coincides with some very urgent need to access the information. I am also very often confronted with very bad network conditions when traveling (trains, cars, tunnels, underground lines, whatever).

@veer66 @mishari @jalcine (btw you can do video and audio on crappy connections, you just gotta downsample by A Lot. but when I was stealing wifi for my dorm floor from two floors above, dammit I was thankful for finding 0.000001 bits per second online radio stations. lesson: scaling down can be as important as scaling up)

@veer66 @mishari @jalcine that's a bit exaggerated tbh, i just searched for something like "low bit rate online radio" and found a collection of online radio stations

@veer66 @mishari @jalcine
s/a bit/a lot/
i mean, getting less than one bit per second would be horribly slow
but idk what bitrate it was and i don't even know what are the common bitrates so i just wrote some small number 😂

@veer66 @mishari @jalcine

I do. 3G/4G isn't everywhere. Also, keeping on 2G saves a ton of battery
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