Please stop using data mining scandals 2 redefine ur own predatory version of consent. Being in a public space is not consenting to be mugged no more than posting in a public space is consenting to have your data stolen. My purse doesn’t suddenly become EVERYBODY’s purse when I leave the house. We need a new bill of data/privacy rights. Will this end all mining 4evs? No, but reclassifying women as citizens instead of domestic property didn’t end all gender violence either.
@denikombucha I wonder how much of this stems from computing security work normalizing obsessive breaching of as many boundaries as possible b/c that's what attackers would do over computers, assisted by computers that instantly perform countless actions.
@bb010g this isn’t anything new tbh. Enslaved ppl, Women, children etc were all a spectrum of private property in the US. Who defended those classifications then? The folks that had the most to gain by exploiting these communities as you would resources. Whenever cases of redifining agency and personhood vs natural resource the exact same arguments coming up now were presented then.-
@bb010g Women voting & controlling their own money won’t stop domestic violence, it’s up to her to only marry honorable men in the first place.
It’s impossible to free ALL enslaved Black people, by the one drop rule and serial rapist ancestors & families we’re ALL kinda black🤷🏼♂️nah too complicated makes no sense.
No point ending child labor here, they’ll just bring in foreign children instead.
@bb010g one last note cuz I LOVE Arundhati Roy and this quote says a lot about the culture of industry
"Can you not just look at the mountains? Can you just leave the bauxite in the mountains? - Arundhati Roy
@denikombucha it's probably worth asking these people how they feel about the user of facial recognition in public spaces.
I can see the point maybe that is being attempted: being in public is no guarantee people will behave ethically. Still, there *are* ethics to these sort of things. I don't think this study business passes that test.
@genericperson if ending 99.95% conflicts a bill is targeting was the gateway to law, literally nothing would be passed then/now or ever. Anyone realistically making THAT goal post is just being self servingly hyperbolic. Hospitals don’t indefinitely stop death and don’t even guarantee ending malpractice, are they advocating defunding Medicare 🤨? Why is the goal post for ethical software regulation it’s ability to never fail ever?
@denikombucha I agree, it shouldn't be legal or OK to do this! But imo we should also be on our guard when posting public toots because unfortunately it's just too easy to do this, legal or not :/
@denikombucha I'm shocked at how many people I've seen with dubious views on consent on the timeline since this blew up. I expected maybe a few that haven't mulled on it particularly deeply yet, but not this many. Pretty gross, and I'm noticing it's mostly smug nerds (likely) without much to lose from it too
@Kinetix @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus the point that we could instead be encouraging people to have better respect for other people's selves and presence in public spaces without taking more of them then they've already signed up to instead of copping out and simply fearing technology and eachother is going right over your head huh?
Nope. A billboard has specific functions & intent 2 garner a monetizable market 2 a business. This falls under FDA regulation & w the intent 4 marketing you can only make certain claims & will be held liable 4 fraud.
A private citizen is not a private business. A public post intent is not 2 draw customers 2 buy a product so we’re not regulated by those gov institutions. I can post “The lotion I use cures cancer!” & b fine.
@Kinetix @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus if you're putting it to us that the internet is lawless then a fundamental expectation of all people should include respect for other people's boundaries or is it that consent just isn't important enough to you to respect fully?
Maybe social media isn't the place for you at all if you would prefer to concede to surveillance projects and their disrespect for other people's boundaries. That's what you're selling to us right? Try Signal, be lonely 🤷
@Kinetix @BalooUriza @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus we already know this. What we're doing here is holding those actors accountable, exposing them and warning others, discussing boundaries and consent for anyone that needs it and saying that we won't be sitting by and taking it. I'm still not sure what you're saying other than "like it or lump it". What's that attitude going to do? If it feels too futile for you to fight then stop wasting our time by saying it, we disagree so leave us be
@denikombucha Neither. Just been around the web since the early 90s and seen the same shit happen repeatedly.
@BalooUriza you kno the rest of us grew up w the internet too right? Its only *been* around since 1990, It’s not like folks were driving their zeppelins & jalopies listening to Pod casts🤨
@denikombucha The internet's been around a couple decades longer than you think it has.
@BalooUriza you kno I’m talking about the modern form we recognize as the internet we use today don’t be obtuse🙄
@denikombucha I'm not going to dumb it down for folks who thought AOL was a good idea.
@Kinetix @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus I don't have an ego inflated so big to think if I'm having a nice time talking with my friends in the park that it's akin to writing what I'm saying in big letters on a billboard...
I'm just trying to hang out here with my friends and allow other *individuals* to come and go as they please, I don't remember consenting to somebody coming along with a notebook or whatever to take back to the lab. That's a *certain* problem with ethics, not a "may well be"
@Kinetix @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus Please don't insult us by explaining what a social network is. I'm fairly sure, what with us being on a social network right now, we know that it's a communications platform for individuals to interact amongst each other. That's why we're here.
Mass surveillance and redistributed copies outside of the network of the data we put into it isn't using it for the purposes we consented to and we're here calling that out.
I dunno what your problem is here teach
Also maybe carry through your analogies a bit more thoroughly. With the amount of noise on the internet, calling posts equivalent to billboards is patently ridiculous. It's way closer to personal conversations that just happen to be kinda loud, long lasting and searchable as text strings.
@Kinetix @Shrigglepuss @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus It's almost like they are their own new form of communication that should be treated with nuance as we address what is and isn't consent... And honestly, if you can't distinguish between the intent of the author of this content, whether they want something more ephemeral and private or public and forever, then I don't really trust you with telling the intent of the party who will get there hands on this easily queryable list of minorites. Can you at least attempt to see it from the perspective of bad actors so as to thwart them proactivity?
@Kinetix @denikombucha @puffinus_puffinus @redpy5 using the recent example, once the information about the redistributed poorly anonymised data was exposed people banded together and got it took down, there's one piece of proactiveess that worked better than your proposed "do nothing it'll never change anyway". Side-effects during the whole thing has been a discussion on consent, a lot of us learned a lot of new things?? Sounds a good start to me
@denikombucha God, yes, thank you for saying this.
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