Dear white vegans,

Check your privileges and ethnocentrism when engaging POC about going vegan. Stop talking at us, it’s hostile. Also, cruelty-free extends to vegetables too; keep that same energy when mentioning (often racist) labour and human rights violations in the farming industry. And the destructive effects of intensive single crop farming on the environment. In addition, having taken an African studies course doesn’t make you are non-racist. Finally, saviourism is not the way.



Spurred by a soul breaking encounter I had this morning. I’m really tired of vegans acting like POC are clueless. Many of us come from cultures where diet is informed by sensible engagement with the environment and the animals in our midst. We care about the same things. Our problem is with the capitalistic system and the way it fundamentally affects how we live and thus eat. Choice is a privilege in this system.

@Mwenyi i used to have to see a nutritionist (before a stomach surgery - part of the song and dance here to get what i needed done done)

she was the most white kale vegan you ever saw and didn't much care for the poc who wanted talking about figuring out new ways of cooking dark meat chicken, seafood, beans (read: way cheaper proteins more prevalent in POC kitchens)

she kept just shushing them and going "no. no. no. see, you're pansearing them in their own fats"

like. im not the rube there :/

@Mwenyi she wants them to abandon everything and shop kale and tofu at the Aldi and i'm like "what reality do you exist in"

but i knew, in truth. she was born of privilege and so ensconced in it she couldn't see it when we were telling her that we come from places of mexmex and soul food

@Mwenyi trying to get people to buy thirty dollars of organic veggies to make into a smoothie "that makes multiple servings!" (read: 2, maybe 3 if you really hate it) when they have sub 10 dollars for a family meal is like. impossibly divorced from reality

@sagebrush wow! 😮 this is simply irresponsible and even unethical! Nutritionists are meant to work within the parameters of their patients, not the other way round! The lack of socio-economic awareness is depressing. I hope they complained!

@Mwenyi i did but there really wasn't a body to complain to, just the similarly privileged doc;

stomach surgeries in the US are generally considered elective unless your BMI is over 35 and only medically necessary over 40 iirc.

which lead to me having to gain ten pounds at my heaviest to get my insurance to finally be required to help me

imho: i think that's the kind of systems we're in. capitalist ones that squeeze us like a vice grip in all our most sensitive areas when we dare have needs.

@Mwenyi my surgery was for my health, it was a big endeavor, but i constantly got invalidated along the path to getting it done, and even though i feel more in tune with my body now that i don't have an irascible stomach that's never full, i hated the process so much i couldn't really recommend it to people unless they already know they need that help.

@sagebrush I’m so sorry you went through this. The US medical system is so messed up, it’s wrong that you have to fight this much to be healthy. Are you better now? I hope you never have to experience this again 💔

@Mwenyi the good news i think is that i opted for the correct surgery for my needs, despite unexpected trauma after surgery

(they forgot to fully hook up my pain meds for the first night of recovery. i was up screaming and the nurse wouldn't doublecheck the rig. the next morning? the new nurse was like "huh this is funny! you got no pain meds" and i'm like "oh it's funny alright." my poor husband had to watch powerless by my side)

capitalist medicine is like a death cult that promises healing

@sagebrush wait a minute... so you were in pain for an entire night and the nurse didn’t care to do something about it?! What kind of inhumanity is this??! So sorry 💔

Honestly I’m starting to think that the whole of capitalism might be a death cult. I feel very conflicted about this because I can see how it lifted certain people, including in my own fam. But the cost is so high!

@Mwenyi i think the problem with getting lifted is that capitalism doesn't allow for Everyone to get similarly lifted;

with one or two people lifted, it actually divorces them in a way from true kinship with their fellow people - they "made it" and their friends didn't;

as a fan of hiphop this theme is so prevalent it gets relegated to "rapgame stardom" and to me it's so much more clearly a problem of elevating only individuals with stardom, rather than their whole environments!

@sagebrush oh I completely agree. Indeed it makes individuals responsible for the uplifting of others, rather than the system. “Culture” makes it so the few who rise may seek to uplift their fellow people but it’s still not everyone and not very effective. I actually think that even in those cases, the way kinship functions is disrupted. It can be a good thing when it gives women more power but a terrible thing since capitalism pushes toxic and narcissistic world attitudes.

@Mwenyi this is so well put!

it makes me want to gravitate myself around poc women's voices, who have already had the point in their life where they decided they were done with anything and anyone who couldn't just be real with them, and instead starting caring for themselves like people should have been caring for each other but couldn't in the generations before!

it speaks to me too, relative to the million microaggressions that make up decades of emotional abuse and gaslighting, being Other

@sagebrush yes sis! There are so many layers to this, and there’s so much to unpack... my worry is that they’re not hearing us 😞

@Mwenyi yes! i feel this strongly too.

i'm a believer in what we're doing here! whether it's pv.s as a platform for talking about the things that people aren't listening enough about - and doing a lot of that listening in their stead, too, so we can understand ourselves better and speak our truths even more clearly tomorrow -

or more simply the act of writing our unvarnished truths in a place that nobody can take them away when we inevitably transgress, so Other we become Dangerous. 😨

Holy moley! I hate that you had to endure this. 💔💔💔

@Mwenyi absolutely! always unless i specify not to in the post 💚

Thank you for saying this. 💚 I’ve had similar thoughts in my head for some time now.

@Mwenyi oh mate fundamentalist vegans are on par with religious fundamentalists i am so sorry

@Mwenyi “Haven’t you heard? Sometimes agriculture doesn’t work out well for the animals.” — a city lib, to me, who grew up in farm country...

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