At this point, I think we can all agree Pleroma is a social media platform built specifically for white nationalists.
It has intentionally positioned itself as a primary alternative option for hateful people that have been pushed off of Birdland, FB, etc etc.
I would not be surprised if you see them on the news in the near future as a flash point for organization for premeditated attacks against social groups they hate.
That platform has consistently catered to the worst people.
Having led a few teams in my day, I can say for a fact Pleroma's attitude is an extension of who leads that project. As the saying goes, attitude reflects leadership.
It's not magic Pleroma is so friendly with Gab aligned instances. Bigots feel comfortable using and contributing too that project.
And that's intentional. I don't give a shit how well built it may or may not be.
It has been used to make not only fedi and the world in general an unsafer and more hateful place.
@Are0h Pleroma is also substantiating Google's claim that all ActivityPub clients are spreading hate and misinfo, which, should be obvious how that'd come back to bite Mastodon instances.
@greatjoe Google is only doing it to protect their business interests, but they're not wrong.
This has been a problem for awhile now and little to nothing has been done about it.
@Are0h I'm also a bit suspicious of the fact that Gab instances are actively policed but we're still looking at Pleroma instances on a case-by-case basis.
They've had their chance, admins should have the option to blanket-ban all Pleroma instances, and that ban should be on by default.
@greatjoe The fedi has unending patience for racists and sexists, even violent ones that have made it clear they only care about causing harm.
This has been a problem since I've gotten on the fedi almost 3 years ago. Little to nothing has been done, but folks are lamenting the fediverse's reputation as a place that caters to hate speech.
@Are0h yeah, I have been looking at federated more often lately and found a number of new ones (to me, at least) to block and recommend blocks to others. It's really sadly very predictable. A lot of the Pleroma apologists argue that it's a "better" platform than mainline Mastodon, but as we've often seen that a majority of its users and admins end up being racists and bigots, it's demonstrably not "better." Thus I'm not sure why people would want to use it if they're not racist bigots.
@greyor I checked out their dev community for a little while and when you see how they operate and talk to each other, you can see why Plemora came to be favored by hateful people.
You can't control how people use free software but you can set an environment that makes it clear it's not an acceptable form of behavior.
Plemora's leadership had done the opposite and welcomed the most hateful people on the web.
@Are0h that is unsurprising as well. Yeah, absolutely agree that the culture has to be antiracist &c. and ban hateful people.
Thanks as always for your insights, I appreciate it and am always learning.
@Are0h @greyor this is extremely precise observation. Even at times with kaniini the dev team just did not set the bar. "I only had great interactions with them as maintainers" people say but as people they are also extremely nice to fash.
I know couple of genuinely great pleroma instances (mostly single-user) but this doesn't cancel the dev team being what they are.
@bamfic @Are0h precisely the point both of us were trying to make -- the worst people have coopted it, so it doesn't matter whether it's technically better or not. That is immaterial to me. The worst people have taken to it, the devs don't seem to care, and therefore I don't want to associate with instances (and people) that use it.
@greyor @bamfic @Are0h I do not have a server that can run Mastodon, but I do have quite a load of devices that might run Pleroma. Just some sidenote, I am not disagreeing with your observation here. Not wanting to run that software is also, why I am on a Mastodon instance that I do not self-host. But I can see that people who want to self-host and lack the financial resources for a proper server might want to run Pleroma
@KitsuneAlicia I'm 99% sure that if he didn't he knew someone who was on that instance.
That's what the place does.
@Are0h I assume you have seen their anime girl mascot doing a nazi salute before right?
@brainblasted They purposefully don't make it easy to move your data, so I'm not surprised.
@therealraccoon Hell, I didn't now about this.
I'm gonna check it out. Thanks for the tip.
@therealraccoon @Are0h Unfortunately, I have to report that epicyon is not a magic solution. I spent 2 days trying to install and run it and still can't. The install documentation is not super clear and easy to make mistakes at each step.
(though, I can't run masto or pleroma either so it's not better or worse)
@FloatingGhost Ah and the predictable bigot trying to convince me that the racism I experience on a regular basis is not actually racism.
@FloatingGhost It is the opposite of good faith to not only completely ignore the context of what I'm saying but to suggest it's possible that I'm imagining the experiences I've been having since I set up my own instance.
I'm talking about how a specific platform caters to the most hateful people on the web. That's the context.
I have no interest in your reductive attempts to derail that conversation.
@FloatingGhost LOL, you're talking about not being nice and I'm talking about consistent racism and violence being thrown my way. We're not talking about the same things.
We cannot have a 'constructive' conversation because you keep trying to interpret what I'm saying in a way that makes you feel better rather than attempting to hear a perspective that does not resemble yours.
If me not letting you derail what I'm saying is COMBATIVE to you, that says everything about your intentions.
@FloatingGhost LOL every response just confirms your attempt to engage in bad faith and now you're just throwing a tempter tantrum because I won't play along.
@FloatingGhost Ha, uh huh. Sure sure.
@FloatingGhost Ah yes, now we've reached Evangelion memes used consistently by the most bigoted and hateful people on the web.
Boring and predictable.
@FloatingGhost Ha, ok bro. No one is keeping you here.
@FloatingGhost Thank you for admitting you're just a piece of shit. I can use this.
@FloatingGhost shrug If that makes you feel better.
The social network of the future: No ads, no corporate surveillance, ethical design, and decentralization! Own your data with Mastodon!