I remember I had a conversation once with Gargron about how he was catching it from people for his decision making, and he mentioned it was unfair, which I agreed with.
I also told him if he wants to do some real good, you have to accept it and push through to win people's trust. Saying you're about diversity and inclusion isn't enough. You have to prove it everyday.
LOL, he unfollowed me and stopped talking to me after that.
White people want DIVERSITY until they actually have work for it.
The think is white folks think if they mimic the posture of diversity and inclusion it will happen on its own, which is false. It takes real work.
And you can ask any of my mods who I talk with on a regular basis, that this work will take to you some deep places personally and have you re-evaluate you own personal truths about how you view the world. Those are HARD conversations.
And white people in particular exist in a culture that violently resists personal growth at all costs.
@Are0h That does help explain why mediocre self-help gurus can see unexpected success when white people even half-follow their advice.
@jaycie Making white people feel better about their passivity in the face of hate and refusal to grow is a billion dollar industry.
@Are0h Too true.
@Are0h I totally endorse this - even though I fall victim to it myself sometimes. (Fuck, a lot, but hopefully less often than I used to.) May I repost this elsewhere? It's a hard pill to swallow, but it's needed.
@Are0h Thank you, sir.
@Are0h I muted gargron within like a month of joining masto. Transparent af.
@Ethancdavenport The interesting part is that I really don't mind him one on one. I think he's a bright kid that has done some good work.
My issue is that, like most white dudes in tech, he has a very poor reaction when someone suggests that his ideas are probably not the best in terms of community.
And that attitude is what leads to replications of the toxic environments such as FB, Birdland, Reddit, etc.
And that's just bigotry.
@Are0h well, I originally muted him precisely after reading a few interaction threads about community betterment, “censorship,” etc.
and he’s European too right? I’m generally suspicious of white Europeans.
@Ethancdavenport It's funny how even smart people refuse to see the obvious.
But that's what bigotry does.
@Are0h this reminds me of how someone[who?] said,
white people want black art, but they don't want the black artist
@meena Ha, a lot of people have said this, but yeah, it's very true.
That's what happened when I first got to the fedi. Everybody wanted to be cool with me, but once I started talking about the environments they enable that are harmful to people like me, LOL, they got REAL QUIET™
@zensaiyuki as @Are0h says https://playvicious.social/@Are0h/102407176855670373 a lot of folks have said that
@Are0h that's what's bothered me the most about Kev's position. Every time he talks about it, it's something along the lines of:
"I'm not a racist or a Nazi, but I'm not willing to go through any effort whatsoever to accommodate marginalized people"
@romariorios Exactly. And these are the same people that complain about how hard it is to have honest conversations on the fedi.
They want people to trust them, but have done absolutely nothing to earn that trust
@GLove LOL, the irony of this statement is hilarious.
Thanks you for revealing you're just a bigot looking for trouble.
Enjoy your day.
@Are0h ay lmao
that's why I say I'm not white, I'm just pale
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