@unsuspicious Dealing with hate online is the same dealing with hate in one's everyday life.

Either you give space for it to live, or you don't.

In the particular type of intolerance we see in most online spaces, it generally orignates in social groups that identify as white.

Ergo, white people are in the best position to stem the growth of hate, but usually choose not too for whatever reason.

Which enables said hate to continue.

@Are0h @unsuspicious "Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

white people who will denounce bigotry when they're preaching to the choir, but avert their gaze and stay quiet when bigotry happens in front of them. white people who are willing to let someone else take a beating instead of stepping in and stopping a fist from striking.

@modgethanc @unsuspicious And that is how racism, sexism, homophobia, etc remains as a mainstay in our communities.

That's how they win. People that profess themselves to be progressives generally do nothing at all.

@Are0h @unsuspicious yeah. when bigotry is only challenged by the targets of bigotry, nothing changes. bigotry can only be dismantled when everyone in the community stands together to reject it, regardless of if they are specifically being targeted.

@modgethanc @Are0h @unsuspicious

I want to say I get the best results challenging bigots when the victims aren't in the space. It tells the bigots that my opposition is not performative, that their attitudes really are unacceptable even in private.

I *want* to say that.

But all I really know is that they stop doing it around *me.*

When hordes of non-victims challenge them, they stop doing it around everyone.

@modgethanc @Are0h @unsuspicious This is why racists get so stressed when nonblack people and especially white people challenge bigotry. Their whole schtick is to divide and conquer, and when people stop buying that bullshit their power is diminished.


@Are0h @unsuspicious

Sure. It seems like an obvious take - we all, regardless by anything - eject and reject bigotry.

However, perhaps it's worth while to recall the harshly dark reality, in which bigotry has yet to have never Ever been AFAIK so called Dismantled?

@Are0h @unsuspicious this is not a new problem; marginalized folks have always had to endure hatred and abuse while their "allies" hang back on the sidelines, too afraid or unwilling to speak up or act to stop it. it's frustrating and demoralizing every single time it happens. it makes promises of 'support' into totally empty statements because they're still not willing to help call out bad behavior or provide negative consequences to bad actors.

@Are0h @unsuspicious in a recent episode of "This American Life" Ira Glass interviewed an elderly woman in NYC who admitted, after some gentle persuasion, that racial bias was very much still happening in her community. After describing the history of "white flight", she said: 'if a neighbor rented to a black person, that would be frowned upon, but to a gay person, that would be ok'. She described #gentrification so well.

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