So basically Pelosi is setting the Democrats up to get the bitch smacked again because she doesn't want to listen.
The folks elected Rep. Omar for a reason. AOC handily beat an incumbent in NYC. Chitown just elected a Lori Lightfoot, a gay Black woman for mayor.
People are fucking tired of Democrats trying to appease bigots that don't give a shit about maintaining civility.
People praise Pelosi for her political acumen, but she's still tone def and ineffective in an actual fight.
It annoys the fuck outta me that Dems seem to forget 🍊 lost the election.
The only reason he is president is because of some antiquated failsafe slave owners lobbied their way onto the books to ensure we'd never have an actual representative democracy.
The keep trying to negotiate with this fool instead of going at his neck, which ironically is accelerating the browning of American government because we're all tired of white people.
But Pelosi wants to ice skate up hill.
@Are0h some motherfucker's ALWAYS trying to do that.
@kaniini Or we can just have one vote count as one vote.
You're over thinking it.
@kaniini That is already happening now in areas that enjoy disproportionate representation because of the electoral college. In essence, you're making the same argument white dudes made after Emancipation for it.
And in terms of areas such as the midwest which your oddly fixated on, they are 'disenfranchised' because they keep voting for fucked up policy, not because they don't have adequate representation.
We literally have another racist as president as proof of this.
@kaniini Could be is the key here. That idea has never really materialized.
And the Midwest is over-represented in political influence anyway, so this point is moot.
@kaniini Uhm, not incentivizing certain regions would be a good step in the right direction.
Candidates having to campaign because every vote is of equal value seems like the solution.
I'm not sure why you're trying to complicate it, but it's not.
@kaniini That will never happen because as we know most Americans don't vote. So limiting your opportunities to just populous locations would not only be suicide, but just stupid.
Equalizing the value of each vote is the no-brainer solution. If a candidate chooses to only go to certain areas, they'll pay for it.
With the electoral college it's the opposite.
It's not complicated. It seems there's just this inherent fear of non-white people outvoting white people, so there has to be some rule to keep this from happening, nationally and locally if we look at how prevalent gerrymandering is being used as well.
@kaniini The problem with this is you get situations like mine, where my vote in Oklahoma counts the same as ten votes in California. Why do I get more say in Tulsa than my brother does in LA?
@kaniini Don't. Regional representation is what congress is for.
@kaniini The most polite thing I can say is that it definitely shows what a 20% average voter participation rate can do for a group determined to game the system.
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@kaniini really just about anywhere outside Tulsa, OKC and the panhandle is pretty purple to more blue than red. The panhandle doesn't make much sense, but the rest of the state does: OKC and Tulsa are oil money and the rest of the state deals with the consequences. And statewide, with voting being on a random Tuesday, you pretty much only get the folks too stupid, old or crazy to hold down a job voting.
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@kaniini And I really hate to say that about the folks who tend to show up to vote here, every time I go to the elections everyone else there is twice my age or my conspiracy theorist neighbor. And old, stupid and crazy people all vote the same way. If we want to be taken seriously, we need to take the system seriously. 50% voter registration rate and 35% voter turnout is seriously minority representation.
In this context it's also worth recalling that historian Sean Wilentz, one of the biggest critics of the EC, has come around somewhat: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/04/opinion/the-electoral-college-slavery-myth.html
Having said that, I'm inclined to agree with @Are0h: like the Senate, it's a stupid institution that gives outsized clout to white folks in low-population-density states.
The dems would be those rich folks in slave times taking about 'Abolition is a goal we should all aspire to. BUT in the mean time lets fight to get them work gloves!'🙄
@denikombucha Like if y'all can't get unified against a dude like 🍊 y'all just aren't worth a damn.
This dude and his cronies are lying _constantly_ but they're still trying to find an angle rather than go at this fool's neck.
As disgusted as I am with the GOP, I'm just as revulsed by the Dems because even when they have the high ground, they straight get punked. Again and again.
Y would they go for his neck? Every last one of them directly benefited from the same 45 tax breaks they railed as inhumane. I haven't seen a single on of them give it back, have u 👀? Someone can call you a bitch to your face but if they do it while handing you a cool 10mil, its hard to stay mad at them.
@denikombucha And I'm fine with that part of it, but just be honest about it.
Don't tell me about RESISTANCE and then say he's not worth going after. Just take your check and go.
Either go after that dude or just admit you're complicit. Either would require courage that the Dems seems like they just don't have.
Oh they ain't ever gonna do that, and risk letting that High Horse go? LMAO they love 'being the adult in the room' bout as much as they love them $$$
@denikombucha That's the thing. They aren't the adult in the room.
If they were, they wouldn't be trying to negotiate with a bigot.
People support them just because they are slightly less nuts than the GOP.
That's literally it.
Thats the thing w the folks in congress. None of their actual ideologies are grounded in concrete reality. Not a single one. If it was we woulda had a militaristic GND 20-30 years ago.
@denikombucha Hard agree.
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@Are0h I honestly don't get how Dillary Clump supporters are so angry. One party didn't run anybody with popular support, the other had a legitimate groundwell of voters passionate for the candidate handed to them, then did everything in its power to ensure he didn't get the nomination. Result? An election with two obnoxious cheats of a New York real estate developers, and Gary fucking Johnson. Hopefully all three national parties learned something from that.
Folks forget that RGB and Scalia were bffs. They vacationed together. We hold her up as some feminist hero but she touted her close relationship with a man that said Black ppl have smaller brains. And the same is for the rest of the dems. Its not that they don't try, its not that they're incompetent, they're INCREDIBLY savvy. We're just asking them to get the faces of folks they luncheon with and have the same inlaws.
Makes me think two things:
a) so much Democrat political acumen only applies when everyone plays by the rules, which hasn’t really happened in this millennium
b) in general, actually holding people accountable for their actions would be a step toward dismantling white supremacy and she’s clearly not gonna go for that
@nein09 Yup and YUP.
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