White people can find information about Russian corruption, chaos theory and Marxist ideology, but ask them to find data about inequality and voting demographics in America??
OH MY GODZ?? HOW CAN I FIND IT IF YOU DON'T HELP ME! REVERSE RACISMZZZZ! YOU'RE SO MEAN.
@Are0h Problem is most of the sources for white folks say there aren't things like inequality and voting demographic issues, so sometimes we need to know which sources aren't the bullshit-reinforcing ones.
@craigmaloney @Are0h But this is super bullshit, too. There are academic sources in basically every discipline that talk about racism and inequality. They come from huge names, easily vetted if you even so much as try. The internet totally works as a research tool for this. There could not be more scrutiny, they could not be more legitimate. White people see them and still think "well, i don't know if this is legit or not" and just give up without trying because it's so easy.
@c25l @craigmaloney Exactly. And the white people that really give a shit _do the work_.
The ones that don't keep making excuses.
That's why I tell people to put in the leg work on their own before we can talk about what they do or don't know. There are just certain realities that the data will show you if one takes the initiate to find it.
And I have no interest in debating with someone's anecdotes and theories. We know what is happening. We don't need to guess.
@Are0h @craigmaloney It starts to boggle my mind when someone can do a research-university grade literature search about some hypothetical issue of canon in a cartoon universe but if you want them to think about racism or inequality or sexism or whatever then it's all the sudden like they can't even read.
The message sent is exactly the one you say. When they give a shit they do the work. When they're not willing to do the work, we have no need to guess.
@c25l @craigmaloney This is like 99% of the conversations I have about race with white people. I know people aren't stupid, but that behavior of denying easily discoverable data is such a part of the culture.
There are instances when I am asked sincere inquires and that's cool. But if one is asking me to provide evidence of inequality in America, they're full of shit. They're just not looking.
@Are0h @c25l Of course the converse of "Voter Fraud is rampant and we need ID laws" is also extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary proof, so if you have one side claiming "Voter ID" and another side claiming "Voter Disenfranchised" then you have a real mess of both sides expecting each other to do the work of finding out which is right.
And then when either side is proven wrong (and I think voter fraud is clearly the ex. claim here) then there's claims that one didn't do their homework.
@Are0h @craigmaloney hard to say.
Consider this: the average white person does not vote. The system broadly benefits them. they hear about voter suppression, indicating that minorities wished they could vote more, therefore more than this white person, which disrupts their status quo, likely making the system not benefit them as much. What more do you need to breed denial and therefore racism?
@Are0h @c25l
(Trying to deconstruct some thoughts here, so bear with me).
I wonder if it's part of the education in the USA where something like "voter suppression is happening in minority circles" is considered an extraordinary claim. And the rubric "extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof" kicks in, where the party making the claim is then obligated to make the case for their claim.
Sadly, efforts to disenfranchise minority voters is not an extraordinary claim for most folks.