Masto isn't perfect and it's still really white, but I like it here because it has the potential to be such an awesome example of cultural collaboration is we can all just _listen to each other_

In my estimation, that is the only obstacle I can see that is hindering this platform from really taking off.

I find it really disappointing at times that there is so much resistance to collaboration simply because people refuse to believe harassment is as prevalent as it is.

We all have to make decisions on what kind of communties we want to build, but for me, yo, the more the fucking merrier.

I like the fact that women, LGBTI, non-binary, etc folks feel safe interacting with me. It adds so much more culture and color to my own life. I run my instance in a way that encourages those kinds of cross cultural connections because it's better for all of us.

I don't understand why someone would want to replicate an experience that ultimately leads to limiting that.

@Are0h this instant defensiveness against critique from outside one’s PoV is one of my biggest pet peeve these days.

jfc, if one steps on someone’s toes and they say ouch, people tend to just say they’re sorry, not bursting into a lecture on how they had a cat lay down on their foot once and it didn’t hurt so why are they pretending it hurt it couldn’t possibly and besides i didn’t mean to so you can’t call me out CENSORSHIP FREE SPEECH AAAH

@gekitsu Robin DiAngelo wrote a great study called White Fragility on how that response is a cultural marker for white identified people.

That culture is so bathed in entitlement and fiction, engaging with truth is almost a painful experience.

@Are0h this rings true. both from remembering my younger self, and from the process of figuring out my being on the spectrum.

realising that my every interpretation of what someone said might be massively off, or that i might have accidentally waltzed a bulldozer into someone’s feelings without noticing, was one of the most useful and consequential learning experiences when it comes to how i (want to) deal with other people.
i might eventually become a serviceable work-in-progress.

@Are0h I think I get your point in general but I want to remember you (not you individually, I mean in general) that everything is not like in the states. Out from there being white is not enough reason for not being harassed.

When you say it's too white I understand you mean "privileged white".

I don't mean the skin color is not an issue, I say there's a lot of suffering in many points and centering the debate in the skin is not applicable everywhere.

@Are0h Some time ago here the communists, the atheists, the gay... were killed just for being that.

That's a different kind of shit I think, and I don't really believe that kind of groups are in a better position than black americans are.

Sometimes, people in the US forget they are the center of the planet and being a vulnerable group there is better than being the standard in other places.

(I'm just giving my biased point of view, I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm in your side too)

@Are0h Anyway, I've been paying attention to the racism problem in the US. You are still so fucked and the actual president is making it even worse.

Ofc, I'd probably never understand it because I didn't grow up there and my context and biases are really different.

But, I mean, the message here is that you probably have been talking here with many people in a similar situation to yours and they are white. And you have a lot of things in common and you are fighting in the same side.

We are.

@ekaitz_zarraga And that's great you've been paying attention. Meanwhile, we have to live with and deal with it everyday, so pardon if I have no sympathy for your perspective because you've been 'paying attention'.

You're right about that which is why I'm no sure you're trying to say the Black American experience isn't that bad.

If that thought makes you feel better, so be it, but the reality is that this alleged 'fighting' is not providing any relief for people like me yet.

So that's for you

@Are0h Wait a minute.
I'm not saying the black american experience isn't that bad. I'm saying you can find many allies in other races too.

Not related with what you said.

Example: are the kurds black or something? Nope, and they are being murdered for their race.

The US situation is really specific but *out there* the world has lots of different issues. You can find many allies there.

You prefer to act hostile? Great.

@ekaitz_zarraga I never said I can't find allies in other cultures. My timeline everyday is evidence of that, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Ha, no one is denying other people are oppressed. I have no idea why you even feel the need to bring that up.

Again, I've never said the problems in America were just in America, so that comment is irrelevant.

LOL, you right me a series of long comments accusing me of forgetting Blacks aren't the only people suffering, but I'm hostile?

@Are0h No, I just wanted to remember you there's a lot of people in your side and tried to send you a positive message (maybe the language is a limitation) reminding you there are a lot of other collectives in your side.

You didn't said the problems are just in America but I can see you have a strong bias from your personal experience and I wanted to give you a different point of you in order to try to enrich your thoughts.

@ekaitz_zarraga And again, I don't see why felt the need to 'remind' me of that based on the number of people I interact with on a daily basis. I think that statement was more for you than me because my community is inherently diverse.

LOL, I don't have a strong bias based on my personal experiences. My point of view is based on history and data. My personal experiences supplement that education.

You are making a lot of assumptions that are not helping your case right now, dude.

@Are0h The story from which place?
:)

My history and data are from the other side of the world, and that's what I tried to point out.

We have more things in common than you can probably think.

Not trying to convince you. You are right, but that doesn't mean you can be even more right.

@ekaitz_zarraga No, you didn't. You attempted to tell me that Black Americans weren't the only people suffering, ha, as if that isn't common knowledge.

Again, I never said I don't have things in common with people that are not like me. That is your assumption that I'm not aware of this.

Ha, I don't even know what this means. It's not about being right or wrong. You started a convo based on several assumptions and I responded.

I'm not even sure why you feel the need to come at me.

@Are0h I'm not sure neither. Sometimes I want to discuss with people with different opinions and experiences to learn from them. Not looking for a confrontation.

I wanted to learn from you sharing my thoughts and letting you dismantle them.
Probably if we were talking in my language that would be more obvious and comfortable for me.
We'd never know.

Anyway, I didn't want to disrespect and if you re-read my comments from that perspective you might get something new.

Best.

@ekaitz_zarraga I get that and I'm open to that, but leading with 'hey let me remind you' of something that I have never demonstrated being against is an awful way of going about that.

There's a better way to do that then what you did. Making point after point that literally no one was debating is not a good way to accomplish that goal.

No, I won't. You're comments are not unique or original. Your perspective probably is, but your expression of them is very, very common.

@Are0h I can agree with that point.

The language doesn't really help me and I try to tackle the discussion from a point which is easier for me to explain but at the same time it reduces my arguments to just simple examples.

It's difficult.

But again, try to get what I'm trying to say further than the way I say it. It's a difficult thing but I'm sure you can understand the real meaning of my words.

@ekaitz_zarraga I can appreciate the language barrier as I have people all over the world who I communicate with.

Yeah, I hear you, but those 'simple examples' that you use are reminiscent of the same ignorant points white folks try to make with me so I 'understand'.

Yeah, I understand that.

Dude, I do not know you well enough to read between the lines. So you're words are just you words.

@ekaitz_zarraga If you don't like what I say about white folks, then so be it, but if you come at me trying to lecture me about my culture and my experiences, I'm going to respond.

If me pushing back on your ignorance is "hostile" to you, then fine, but I have no need to prove my objectivity to someone that feels the needs to unleash commentary about what they think I know based on pure ignorance.

You're not going to tell me about what I have lived. If that's too much for you, then unfollow.

@Are0h I'm not an ignorant. I just have different biases. I tried to show you mine from a constructive perspective.

I'm not going to tell you about what you lived. I told you about what *I* lived, which is really different, so you could see a different point of view. Just that.

@ekaitz_zarraga You yourself admitted you'll never understand the American experience because you've never been here. You literally admitted to your ignorance, but strangely just kept going.

Yeah, I have no shortage of white guys trying to tell about their point of view, so you are not unique in that regard, nor is your opinion or the need to 'remind me' I have allies.

You are not the first white dude to attempt this with me.

@Are0h Yes, I'm an ignorant in the American experience. But no, i'm not an ignorant in the global experience.

What I exactly wanted to say is that America and the rest of the world are not the same.

And I live in a different part of the world full of oppressed people who lived a fascist dictatorship 50 years ago.

So, I wouldn't consider me a plain white dude in that regard. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It's not black/white, there's a lot of grey people out there.

@ekaitz_zarraga No one said you were.

Again, no one made that point.

I hear you. And I live in a country where people like me are being harassed and murdered almost every day for doing nothing. Today.

You can consider yourself whatever you like, but your _comments_ today are very, very white.

No one said the topic isn't nuanced.

Repeatedly, you're making points that were never up for debate. I have no idea why you feel the need to this.

@Are0h Maybe because I wanted to share my opinion with you because I respect you and I consider your opinion relevant.

Just because of that.

I think it's quite fair.

@ekaitz_zarraga And that's fine and I hear you, but the way you went about it was terrible.

There is a reason why I focus on America. Assuming it's because I don't know what's going in the rest of the world is profoundly ignorant and insulting.

And it's usually white guys who make these kinds of assumptions.

I always want to hear other people's thoughts, but I have no interest in entertaining other people's ignorance, biases or assumptions based on what they are interpreting.

@Are0h @ekaitz_zarraga Guys, you are filling up my TL for miiiiiles. Can you take it private or something?

@gamehawk @Are0h Thanks for pointing it out.

I'm done from my side. Sorry for the inconvenience :)

@Are0h Uh... I got in the conversation because you were tackling it from a very very specific point of view and I wanted to enrich it. If you got offended I'm sorry.

That generalization is not fair, and you know it.

All the best.

@ekaitz_zarraga LOL 'sorry if you got offended' is one of the most common responses from white guys that don't want to accept that just made a bad call. Come on, man.

*shrug* I get that you think it's unfair, but what you're saying to me is not unique. If you feel a way about that, so be it, but white folks throw comment at me like that all the time.

If you want you commentary to be viewed as not common and shallow, just do better.

@Are0h I didn't get offended my man. We are just talking.

Take care, my friend. :)
Nice talk.

@ekaitz_zarraga Ha, uh, ok.

If it was a nice talk for you, cool. I hope you learn from it.

@ekaitz_zarraga No one is arguing that other groups down suffer, but again it's is _always worse_ for darker skin people no matter what region of the world you are in.

This is pure speculation on your part because you're not American or Black, so you have no idea.

Based on what? What is that assumption based on? No doubt there a plenty of other vulnerable groups out side of tje States, but to assume Black folks have it better just because they are in the States is very ignorant perspective.

@ekaitz_zarraga First of all, no one said anything about it being every place being like the States. Why you feel the need to 'remind' me of that, I'm not sure, but that has never been a point I've made.

That's redundant because to be white is to be privileged in literally every aspect in comparison to other social groups. Even poor white people have advantages over poor non-white people.

I get you may not like it, but across the board skin is usually the determining factor. That's just fact

@ted Then you need to follow some people that have been talking about it for awhile.

@Are0h sounds interesting, can you make some recommendations? Not sure how to find those voices.

@ted @Are0h @Laurelai and @maloki are two people who have been talking about issues with implementing treding.